Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Fun Filled Fact Finding- Obama's Dysfunctional Childhood Raises More Questions Than Answers

Last night while researching Obama yet again, I snipped a photo of Obama allegedly taken in 1971 shortly after his arrival back in the United States.

I kept staring at that photo thinking this is the biggest freshly minted 10 year old I have ever seen. I mean the dude is one month older than 9! Maybe it's the camera angle, or maybe his mom was a shrimp, I just couldn't stop staring at it. I am taller than Obama, but I wasn't that tall at 9 or 10.

Then I read under Indonesian law, you can attend school only as a citizen and you could only become an adopted citizen if you were under the age of 5. I guess that includes 5. I am not sure the math pencils out. Obama would have been 5 up until Aug of 67.  I think the whole Lolo Soetoro adoption to get Obama into school in Indonesia is fascinating. Because I don't think Obama was 5 or under when that happened. More on that in a bit.

Here's where it gets interesting. I input his mother's birthday, 11/29/42. I subtract 9 months from Obama's birthday of Aug. 4, 1961.

I used Nov. 4 as the input date. Provided it was a normal term pregnancy, Obama was conceived when his mother was still only 17. She would not turn eighteen until 3-4 weeks later!

Ok, so she was under the age of consent. Not the crime of the century. Maybe statutory rape. So then I clip this piece from wiki: .[15][16] At the age of 23, Obama had come to Hawaii to pursue his education, leaving behind a pregnant wife and infant son in his home town of Nyang’oma Kogelo in Kenya. Dunham and Obama were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961, despite parental opposition from both families.

So dad as it turns out, in addition to a fondness for young chicks, Barack Sr. was already married and left a pregnant wife and infant son in Kenya! Ok, statutory rape and polygamy. Not the man of the year.

Here is a photo of Barack that wiki claims was taken in 1971.

Pay attention to young Maya in the first photo. The dating of this photo is accurate. Obama would be 9 here. Now look at the second photo-purportedly taken later that year.

Obama has just turned 10. Check out Maya. They claim this photo was taken the same year, 1971, as the first one. (above) Clearly that is bullshit.

Last but not least. Wiki says this is the "mid 70s" Note Maya. Same style shoes, but different. The dates on the 2nd two photos are BS.

So let's check up on Maya. Dr. Maya Kassandra Soetoro-Ng (pronounced /ˈmaɪ.ə suːˈtɔəroʊ ˈɪŋ/;[1] born August 15, 1970 in Jakarta, Indonesia[2]) is the maternal half-sister of Barack Obama, the 44th and current President of the United States. She was previously a high school history teacher[3] and university instructor in Hawaii.

Here she is at 40. Kind of a hottie. Thinking I could dig her as Prez. Things to like.


Obama Sr was a cradle robber, stat rapist, adulterer, polygamist, or combination of all four. He died in a car wreck in his 40's. Stanley Anne Dunham was kind of a drifter and a searcher. If you marry someone you know is married- is that a crime? Obama's mother claims Barack Sr. lied- which is possible- she found out later he was still married to his other wife. We will never know. She died in her early 50's.

Obama Sr was reportedly abusive and an alcoholic in addition to all of his other fine qualities. He had a series of 3 or 4 serious car accidents that left him sort of crippled. The last wreck took his life.

Here's another fascinating snip only as it pertains to Obama's age requirement for adoption and entry in Indonesian schools prior to age 5. -After the marriage failed, a 6-year-old Obama left Hawaii to spend four years in Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro. In 1971, Obama's mother sent him back to Honolulu to stay with his maternal grandparents.

That snip just flat out states Obama is 6! Too late for Indonesian adoption. So WTF?

The first photo posted I believe is accurate. Maya was born in Aug. of 70. I think that photo was about circa early 1971. I am calling bullshit on the second photo. That photo looks circa somewhere in '72 or '73, thanks to Maya. The last photo looks younger than the previous one.

Every online entry claims Obama came back to Hawaii in mid 1971. He would have been 9 until Aug of 1971. He doesn't look nine in that photo. Maya does not look less than a year old. Yet this is what it says on Barack Senior's  wiki entry: Obama Sr.'s son, Barack Obama II, moved back to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, in Apt. 1206 in the Punahou Circle Apartments at 1617 S. Beretania Street in Honolulu, to attend Punahou School starting in 5th grade.[26][50]

Getting to the point. I am not a birther guy. I think Obama was most likely born here. It makes sense that dad was a deadbeat and mom would want to have him in Hawaii where her parents were. So why all the mystery about the long form birth certificate? I think that has everything to do with Barack's age and the fact that he was "adopted" at "age 5" to get him into an Indonesian school. I don't think he was 5. I think he was at least age 6 just like the snip above states. What kind of birth certificate games did they have to play? What did they show Indonesia? (I tried to read the cryptogram admission thing on Snopes but it's in Swahili or some shit and I couldn't enlarge it.) What about missing passports? That would certainly prove where we was and at what age.

That Obama had a dysfunctional childhood is a given. Read abandonment issues. Read identity issues. In fact, had it not been for Lolo Soetoro and that whole adoption thing, Obama might not have had any God in his life. His natural parents were both atheist.

So where is Lolo Soetoro? Well, like everyone else, he's dead too.

I think Obama is hiding something is my Frankenstein Government swag- silly wild ass guesses. His father was a Muslim (turned atheist) and that is on the b/c, or (b) there is other data on there that is inaccurate or conflicting with other known facts or (c) his parents were not married or (d) his grandmother was actually his mother. Relax, I was just kidding about the first one.

Every time I dig into this dude, it's like a Rubik's Cube. Nothing ever makes sense because somebody doesn't want it to make sense. This is what happens when they let old cops with too much time- have computers. 


smrstrauss said...

There is no mystery about the long-form birth certificate. The OFFICIAL birth certificate, the one that Obama has already shown, is legally sufficient, and the facts on it were confirmed by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii.

As for the Indonesia citizenship idea. It is a simple thing to check. Just call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ASK. They will tell you that he was never an Indonesian citizen nor adopted in Indonesia, and that he did not even legally change his name while in Indonesia, and he never even had an Indonesian passport.

Brian said...

Not true. The Hawaiian Governor promised to disclose it and stated that he cannot. I have seen no evidence of three "Rupublican" officials. What there under seal.

I am not in agreement with paragraph two. However if you want to provide proof, or links, I am certainly open to taking a look. I am not particularly concerned with the Indonesian thing except there are vacuums and missing time throughout his young life. How about an American passport then?

Obama supporters are always faced with the same problem. If you have the goods show them. This was a guy who called for "transparency" Remember? I've had to deliver the goods, many times, and never once hesitated.

Anonymous said...

A month or so ago I came across a real good article on the subject of the birth certificate. Unfortunately, I didn't save it. The Governor of Hawaii swore he was going to get to the bottom of this. there was no birth certificate for Barack H. Obama. There was nothing more than some annotations referring to Barack Obama. the interesting conclusion the investigators came to is that Barack Obama was adopted and his name was changed to Barry Soetoro. His birth records in Hawaii were expunged. Berry never legally changed his name back to Barack Obama and that is what the President is hiding.

If the above is true, would everything he ever signed as Barack Obama be null and void? Very interesting and totally plausible story.

smrstrauss said...

Replying to Brian:

Re: “Not true. The Hawaiian Governor promised to disclose it and stated that he cannot. “

Answer: Yes, he cannot show the original birth certificate in the files because it is protected by privacy laws. No, he never stated that he cannot because it is not there. WND said that he said it, but he didn’t. And, by the way, he hasn’t shown anything YET. Hawaii has been very busy trying to balance its budget. He may yet show something.

smrstrauss said...

Continuing with the reply to Brian:

Re: “I have seen no evidence of three "Rupublican" officials. “

Answer: Okay. Here it is:

Here is the first of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.

Here is the second of the two confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.

And here is the confirmation by the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital

IN addition to the THREE officials cited above, here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:

Re: “What there under seal.”

Answer: Yes, the records in Hawaii’s birth certificate files are considered private.

smrstrauss said...

Re: “I am not in agreement with paragraph two. However if you want to provide proof, or links, I am certainly open to taking a look. I am not particularly concerned with the Indonesian thing except there are vacuums and missing time throughout his young life. How about an American passport then?”

Answer: It was you who made the allegation that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia. If you are not concerned about it, why make it? If you want to know the truth about it, call the Indonesian Embassy.

Re: “How about an American passport then?”

Answer: We know that he had an American passport from at least the time that he returned from Indonesia to Hawaii to attend high school because if he had not traveled on a US passport, he would have needed a US visa on a foreign passport. There is no evidence that he applied for a US visa in Jakarta, Indonesia—and if he had, it would surely have been found by now.

Re: . This was a guy who called for "transparency" Remember?”

Answer: So? Politicians lie about their intent to be transparent all the time. That does not mean that they were born in Kenya or became citizens of Indonesia. Besides, he was talking about transparency in government. He is not required, and never planned to release his old passports (no president or candidate ever has) or his college or high school transcripts, or his parents’ marriage license (which some birthers have called for).

smrstrauss said...

Replying to conservativesonfire:

Re: “The Governor of Hawaii swore he was going to get to the bottom of this.”

Answer: And he hasn’t YET. He cannot release the original under Hawaii privacy laws, but he could change the law—that would simply take time. Or he may find confirming documents in Kapiolani Hospital. Right now he is busy with the Hawaii budget.

Re: “ there was no birth certificate for Barack H. Obama. There was nothing more than some annotations referring to Barack Obama. “

Answer: Who said that? I will tell you. WND said it, and WND alone. Abercrombie did not say it, and we know from the first confirmation statement by the two Republican officials who looked into the file that there IS an original birth certificate in the file.

IN addition, there were notices of Obama’s birth in the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 (and those were not ads. The newspapers did not accept birth notice ads in 1961. They only took their notices from the department of vital records, which did not issue notices unless there was proof of birth in Hawaii [They did NOT accept "walk in" birth registrations.]).

Re: “the interesting conclusion the investigators came to is that Barack Obama was adopted and his name was changed to Barry Soetoro. “

Answer: Adoption in Hawaii requires action by a district court, and there are no files for Obama or Soetoro at Hawaii district courts—or birthers would have found them by now. Adoption in Indonesia also requires action by a district court, and it is easy to find out whether there was such action (along with whether Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia—he wasn’t) by simply calling the Indonesian embassy in Washington.

Re: “His birth records in Hawaii were expunged. “

Answer: Two Republican officials looked into Obama’s file twice, and they indicated that it was not expunged.

Re: “Berry never legally changed his name back to Barack Obama…”

Answer: Since he never legally changed his name to Soetoro (Yes, he used the name, but never officially), he did not have to change it back. If he had changed his name in Hawaii, there would be files at a court. If he had changed his name in Indonesia or had been adopted or became a citizen of Indonesia, the Indonesian government would know about it. Call them at the embassy in Washington. None of that happened.

Brian said...


I have no grind with this. I agree. I am ok with your arguments.

If I really cared...I would

Want to see a long form document. That's it. I am looking at mine now. Attending physician, religious affiliation, mom and dad, time and date, little feet. Thats it.

The truth is, I don't care. If I were a cop investigating this though, BEST EVIDENCE means BEST EVIDENCE. No court in the land, or prosecutor worth a shit, could accept what has been offered as proof. It would get laughed out of court.

Obama is the one that talks about transparency. He is the symbol of government. So where is all that school records, passport, b/c, who piad for your schooling transparency? Not seeing it. I'll leave you with this. How much money has Obama spent defending all attempts to unseal all of those things? Why? What is so earth shattering about showing us your grades?

Now reading your links...thanks for the spirited discussion. All of which would be quite un-necessary in the event of full disclosure. And I'll even concede the Hawaii birth.


Brian said...

btw, what did you think of that picture that claims it was taken mid-1971. Does Obama look 9 years old in that photo?

rawmuse said...

Our President is a complete Product of the Left, from inception. There is no doubt about it. Every detail has been attended to. Every record expunged. He is a blank template on which to project the aspirations of global totalitarianism.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "I want to see"

I'd like to see George Bush's original birth certificate, the piano Dolly Madison played and the pen that was used to write the Star Spangled Banner. But I do not have a right to see those things.

Since George Bush did not show his birth certificate, Obama did not have to either. It was extra that he showed it, and he showed the official one--and the official one is the legal one, and it is sufficient.

If you feel that it is not sufficient, then you have a right to vote against him. But until then, stop crying.

Unless birthers can show how this could have occurred:

If a child were born in any other country than the USA, she or he would need a US visa or to be entered on the mother’s US passport in order to be allowed to enter the USA. If such a document existed for Obama, it would have to have been applied for, and the files of the applications for it would still exist–and NO SUCH DOCUMENT HAS BEEN FOUND.

then there will not be any congressional investigation. You can cry "I want to see" every day, but no action will be taken.

Brian said...

Strauss...are you thinking I like Bush? Are you thinking this is some political driven partisan shit here?

What's with the labeling, crying thing?

If you have been reading this blog, you will note that my contempt for Bush matches my contempt for Obama. I don't have any favorites.

I think every candidate should have to show their birth certificate. EVERY. ONE. The government has no problem asking me for that shit, and taking my fingerprints, five times. So what ax are you grinding here? Are you telling me that somehow these political hacks are more honest than me?

So knock off the crying theme. Wake up. Nobody is challenging your boy's birth here.


smrstrauss said...

Re: "I think every candidate should have to show their birth certificate. EVERY. ONE. "

Answer: Fine, and Obama has shown his birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, which is the only one that it has issued since 2001. Thousands of people use it every year.

If this is not enough for you, then vote against him in 2012. So long as you agree that he was born in Hawaii, it is not worth discussing.

I noticed looking at the original blog again that there was speculation that Obama's father was listed as a Muslim on the original birth certificate. There have been original long-form birth certificates posted for other people, and guess what, there is no field in the form that lists the religion of the father, mother or child.

Brian said...

I agree. Nowhere in that blog or comments did I say he was not born in Hawaii. I do however note, that Obama made no mention of his Muslim roots at any time in the campaign. Over sight?

smrstrauss said...

If you feel that he is a Muslim, then vote against him in 2012. His father was an atheist, but Obama did not mention that either. We don't know the religion of Obama's mother, maybe she was an atheist too.

Re "oversight?" Politicians rarely tell everything about themselves. Bush's DUI is an example. If my father were a Baptist, would that make me a Baptist? If my father were an atheist, would that make me an atheist?

Brian said...

I don't ever vote against anyone. I vote for something. I vote for Libertarians, the party of principle. I have no clue who the nominee will be but I will be voting for whoever that is.

I don't care about religious views either. I note the lack of transparency, of disclosure. I am a libertarian-therefore you may practice any doctrine that you wish. I noted Bush's lack of transparency as well regarding the DUI and his participation in Yale's secret skull and bones. These are things I learned long ago in political science...101,201.

Thank you for your comments. I mean that sincerely. We live in a crazy, non transparent world and it is ok to disagree. When unvarnished truth is the topic, I tend to get a little more applied in my views.

smrstrauss said...

We are in general agreement, and I also admire some of the positions of the Libertarians, particularly on the Irag war, wars in general and alliances. I also admire their views on abortion and gay marriage.

(I disagree with their views on the Federal Reserve, but what the heck.)

But something about your blog still rankles. You said, right at the beginning "Then I read under Indonesian law, you can attend school only as a citizen and you could only become an adopted citizen if you were under the age of 5."

What you did not do was disclose where you had read that account, which is wrong. You must have read it at a birther site, because no one else publishes it--and you did not attempt to check it, which you could have done (and still can do) by calling the Indonesian embassy.

Still, it is nice to know that we are in agreement that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Brian said...

You are right. I read that on snopes actually...they may have been parroting someone else's allegation.